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Sunday, 10 February 2013

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David G

I wonder if these organizations can sue Norton for slander and financial impact.

CB3

Class action anyone? Just sayin'.

Sam

You also forgot

http://www.mgtowforums.com/

Which is already blocked by many ISP

Sam

''and Norton.

Michael Klein

I watched the information about this "incident" spread from Voice for men over the pond and into men's networks and I am getting rather frustrated seeing the obvious anomie that seems to be the main form of reaction, apart from advice to change to AVG or the likes (I am guilty of that as well). But it vexes me to see this kind of non-reaction. Is it really the case that the men's movement is not able to gather some funds to take LEGAL action against Norton and fight this infringement to freedom of speech head on?

Scarecrow

It looks like adamsspace has been taken down. Another victory for the censors perhaps...

Stuart

I agrees strongly, that is EXACTLY what the main donation asking sites should be doing.

As I have always stated though, the funds will always disappear "elsewhere" one way or another.

Dan

How did Norton and the other censoring organisations establish this list of sites?

Was there an algorithm, or was the selection made by an individual at Norton? In either case, what were the criteria used to define these sites as hate sites?

Were they given advice from an outside agency? If so, what was that agency(s)?

Where does Norton block access -- at work computers? On personal mobiles? -- I seem to be able to access at least this site from both.

Has anyone contacted Norton or the other relevant organisations to ask these questions?

The answers are crucial to understanding whether this is a deliberate campaign or mistake in programming.

Thanks

stuart

Do you REALLY need to work it out Dan? How many feminist sites are blocked?

Tom Martin

Wrong as it is of Norton to categorize men's rights groups as hate groups, it is equally wrong of men's rights groups to categorize the whole of feminism as a hate movement.

John the Other for instance (associated with A Voice for Men) is a serious men's rights activist, who nevertheless dismisses the whole of feminism as a 'hate movement'.

What types of feminism are hateful?

Dave

Tom,

You have to be kidding us, right? The hatred comes out in music and videos, on TV, in the media, advertising, news, radio, soaps, dramas, comedy, basically everywhere. I'm not saying that ALL feminists are full of hatred but the feminist movement is based upon promoting the rise of women at the expense of men. I regularly read and hear feminist speech that is absolutely and undeniably based on a foundation of hatred. The issue we've had over the last handful of decades is that the louder and more vocal feminists in the media have had one hell of an influence over the up-and-coming generation and successfully convinced them that hurling abuse at men is ok, even somewhat cool and powerful (girl power). This coupled with the fact that women are naturally protective of each other means it's a total disaster for men who are useless at protecting themselves and basically all f this creates a society which is pretty cruel to men. Now, yes, there is cruelty to women, too, but this gets RECOGNISED and acted upon and reported. Whereas men's rights campaigners get their sites blocked and their cries for help get IGNORED.

Anyway,here's a few hate quotes from feminists for you:


■“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” – Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor
■“To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” -– Valerie Solanas
■“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin
■“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller
■“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone
■“In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” — Catherine MacKinnon
■“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart
■“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins
■“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French
■“Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.” — Germaine Greer.


John Kimble

Dave - apparently that MacKinnon text is a misquote and it was someone else attempting to sum up her philosophy.

Feminists are famous for taking things out of context on purpose, so we should avoid making such mistakes, even if doing so honestly, and insist on 100% accuracy ever single time. There's more than enough hateful feminist quotes out there to find something to replace it with.

Dave

You're right John, there are literally hundreds of hateful quotes. I just simply googled and came across dozens of sites with these types of quotes. I don't know about the MacKinnon quote and can't comment on its validity. Perhaps Skimmington can remove that one if it's incorrect. I prefer to be fair. What I can say is that it appalls me when rape (which I agree is truly shameful) is taken out of context and applied to all of men! How offensive and hateful is that! It disgusts me, it really does, how some feminists can label all men like this. That is what I call uncalled for hatred.

Douglas

Damn. I can`t believe the misandry. How are these Feminists getting away with this? My eyes are being opened.

Bob

Feminist power is based on manipulation. They cannot tolerate free voices on internet and need to defamate them.

Groan

Tom I would cite the willfull and programmed distortion of domestic violence or abuse. Where ideologically driven self declared feminists use lies ,distortion and suppression to actively deny boys and men support or even compassion or justice. http://www.oneinthree.com.au/news/2013/2/6/male-victims-of-domestic-violence.html
Of course this isn't all feminists but it is a significant wing.

Tom Martin

If MRAs stop generalizing about feminism, feminists will have less cause to generalize about MRAs.

Warren Farrell distinguishes between 'mature' and 'immature' feminists for instance.

I distinguish between the egalitarian feminists, and the er... hookers.

John

I believe you need to add www.judgybitch.com to the Roll of Honor.

Atheismplus_

Thanks for an valuable list of links - one of them mine!

Toysoldier.wordpress.com

Well, that is interesting. I did not expect providers to list a blog discussing sexual violence against males as a "hate" site while they list a site like manboobz "blogging."

John Kimble

"I believe you need to add www.judgybitch.com to the Roll of Honor."

I'm just dealing with all the sites that are defamed as "hateful" right now. That domain is blocked as pornography and to introduce that issue would complicate matters at the moment I think.

John Kimble

"Thanks for an valuable list of links - one of them mine!"

Welcome to the blog, which one is yours? I suppose congratulations are in order whichever one it is.

Walter Schneider

Thanks for your involvement with this issue. I did not know until just yesterday at noon that my website is one of those on the list of blocked FRA websites.

I won't be able to spend any time today on this problem but would like to kow whether there is a preferred forum at which this is being discussed. If there is such a forum, please let me know its URL.

Walter Schneider

John, I think that you may want to add another website to the list of blocked sites: http://blog.fathersforlife.org/

Although that website can still be accessed, I cannot make any posts to it. An attempt to log in results in the message, "Access denied."

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