JOBS FOR THE BOYS

I was speaking to a male friend over the weekend who imparted an interesting story which sums up the predicament modern men find themselves in and how selfish and unreasonable the
majority of modern women are.

He had come home from work on the Friday as had his wife and both were shattered as they had endured hard days at work. No sooner had my friend sat down then he was ordered (not asked)
to take out the rubbish – as he was tired and didn’t see the urgent need he said he’d do it later or she could always do it if she was that bothered by it. Now to the main point of this tale , her reply , which was “I’m not doing it , it’s a man’s job”. 

As you can imagine this response confused my friend as in this age of equality there are supposedly no
such things as men’s and women’s jobs. When he pointed this out he was dismissed out of hand and his wife said if he was too lazy to do it she would get the next door neighbour over to help as he was a real man?! This sums up perfectly the attitude a lot of modern women have to equality between the
sexes.  They demand it and impose it when it works in their favour (that is, not having to do all the bad jobs round the house) but would not dream of accepting it the other way round.

As an example of the way this works we shall look at is the response my friend got when he pointed out he would do the bins (and check the car , mow the lawn, walk the dog and all the other ‘mens’ jobs) when she did the washing up and ironing and cleaning as they were ‘womens’ jobs.  She practically ripped his head off for being so sexist and unreasonable and expecting her to skivvy after him and his kids (it’s always his kids when she needs to make a point) all day when he was out at work enjoying himself. She expected , nay demanded,  the right to spend her days as she pleased as this was her right as a modern, independent woman.

And this sums up the hardship faced by modern man – we are expected to work all day to provide for
our family, come home and do all the jobs round the house and then lavish the last of our energy and attention on our spouse before collapsing into bed to do it all again tomorrow.

Posted by Anthony Humphreys

Comments

[andr0meda]

What a load of nonsense, you cannot take one example (i bet from a snotty middle class office btch) and apply it to half the population of the western world. I mow lorns and take trash out. I dont have a dog, but when im out walking i see loads of women walking dogs. This website is stupid, it just looks like an angry objection to womens liberation. All women want is there freedom, to do all the things men can do and maybe invent a few more.

Expected to work all day to provide for your family? Thats odd, i thought more momen were working these days. You lot just feel hard done by because women want something out of life for themselves these days. Women have more of there own money, that makes tham harder to buy.

There is no reason why men would need a movement for men. This world is still set up for men, and men still get more respect then women. Modern men are not suffering because there oppressed, there suffering from loss of power over someone else. There only happy when they have full control of a woman. They get angry when women refuse to meet there wants, and will not except women are not on this earth to serve them.

Even worse women have not even achieved full liberation (not equality) yet. What you all gonna do when the day comes if your up in arms now.

[Groan]

This small domestic incident makes a good general point. According to international time studies men in Britain spend the same time as women doing work. They still do much more paid work. The also are net contributors to the tax haul(unlike women who are net recipients). Though disadvantaged by the education system men will go on to be the main breadwinner in the majority of family units and will work more years then their sisters. Still men are the overwhelming majority of deaths and serious ly injured because they do the dangerous work our comfortable society relies on. Indeed a small number of men and smaller number women have power in this society. But for most ,of both sexes, such power is a distant dream. What this site is about is the ugly truth: equity means both equal rights and responsiblities.

[stuart]

What kind of man would tolerate it? Personally within two heartbeats her fat spoiled ass would have been on the end of my boot with her in the kerbside where it belongs.

Better still in such circumstances we could all put on a fake vagina and claim oppression and victimology of emotional domestic violence and get lots of money and attention?

P.S No woman has EVER cooked in my kitchen, not even in a relationship. I can't find one who knows how to open a f****** tin.

[scarecrow78]

Thanks And0meda for your positive contribution.

To be serious though, your post is so full of illogicalities and half-truths it defies belief.

"What a load of nonsense, you cannot take one example (i bet from a snotty middle class office btch) and apply it to half the population of the western world. I mow lorns and take trash out. I dont have a dog, but when im out walking i see loads of women walking dogs. This website is stupid, it just looks like an angry objection to womens liberation. All women want is there freedom, to do all the things men can do and maybe invent a few more."

Well, I doubt anyone here assumes this applies to all women, not even all western women, but I think it does serve as a useful example of the thinking many women emply wrt division of labour. Women are indeed liberated, and are now in a position to rail against any man who suggests she should do "her" job around the house, but she will still expect her partner to do the things men have almost always done. As for this website being just a load of angry whiners, well of course you are right. It couldn't possibly be men (and indeed women) who have had negative experiences, or have seen discrimination against men, all enabled by a feminist state that is bent on giving in to just about every feminist demand, to the point where fathers are second class parents, boys second class pupils, and male specific illnesses are given a fraction of the funding given to women's illnesses. None of this is at all worth getting angry over, since it is routine discrimination encountered by men and boys daily. Did you hear that folks? Men's experiences don't matter, according to Andr0meda the Wise...

"Expected to work all day to provide for your family? Thats odd, i thought more momen were working these days. You lot just feel hard done by because women want something out of life for themselves these days. Women have more of there own money, that makes tham harder to buy."

Men have always been expected to work to support a family, and women's entrance into the workplace has made little difference to that. In fact, many men with working wives will tell you they, and not the wife, are still expected to pay for the cost of a mortgage, utility bills, etc, while their wives regard the money they earn at work as simply "their" money, to be spent on whatever they like. And let's not forget women control the majority of discretionary spending now, to the extent the large majority of TV advertising is now aimed at women. Ad men (and women) know who controls the purse strings...

"There is no reason why men would need a movement for men. This world is still set up for men, and men still get more respect then women. Modern men are not suffering because there oppressed, there suffering from loss of power over someone else. There only happy when they have full control of a woman. They get angry when women refuse to meet there wants, and will not except women are not on this earth to serve them."

Obviously this is a world set up for men. Which is why spending on women's health is more than that for men, even though women live on everage 5 years longer. It's also why 90% or more of workplace deaths are men, because men work in the most dangerous, difficult jobs. It's also why we have a biased family court system, whos default position is men are worse parents than women. It is also why women receive more lenient sentences than their male counterparts for the SAME OFFENCE - yet we even have very serious suggestions to close down all women's prisons and abolish custodial sentences for women. And a society set up to benefit men is obviously bound to virtually ignore male victims of domestic violence, so we have a fraction of the shelter spaces available for male victims that are available to women.

"Even worse women have not even achieved full liberation (not equality) yet. What you all gonna do when the day comes if your up in arms now."

No they haven't. Which is how they manage to be more than half of university graduates, the majority of middle managers, the majority of vetinary students, law students, medical students, the minority of the homeless, unemployed, and incarcerated. They also retire from work 5 years earlier than men (although this will eventually change). So, Andr0meda, you've convinced me. Women still have a long way to go.

Back in the real worl, I hope the good folks here continue with their fine work on this site, even if it does attract some ignorant people who need to open their eyes...

[John Kimble]

I can identify somewhat with this position. I know of females who claim to think all roles in the household are interchangeable between men and women and take great offence if you say a task is more suited to females. She will often try more traditional "male" tasks with varying degrees of success. When a lack of success occurs, something along the lines of, "well it's a man's job and I should be expected to do this" will be said.

I disagree with the assessment about "how selfish and unreasonable the majority of modern women are." Most people are actually decent and fair deep down, it's just that sexist double standards are so prevalent in society that women have been conditioned to act unreasonably. Yes there are terrible women out there, but I think if you gave the majority the opportunity to sit back, analyse and think about the way they were acting they'd realise what they were doing was completely wrong.

Gender feminism has made women think its ok and almost necessary to act like this.

[david d]

Andromeda, apart from you talking typical feminist drivel

when i see you down sewers cleaning up my turds
When i see you being shot in the head on a daily basis on the battleground
when i see you accept being shamed and told to "woman up" if you can't take some slapping
When i see a minister for men or better still people
When i see entry standards that were dumbed down to accommodate women raised back up to what they was..
When i see positive discrimination and merit less short lists banned
When i see you emptying my bins
When i see you building some houses
When i see you tarmacing roads
When i see you going down with the ship
When i see you constantly receive the same level of arrest as men
When i see you receive the same constant level of criminal sentence as men
When i see you held to account the same as men
When i see you get 9 years for false allegations
When i see you banned from things because of your sex
When i see you deprived of medical research because of your sex
When i see a woman having to hand over most of their income and property to a man who has not earned it in a divorce, as women do.

.....and a million other things.

Then you can dare to speak as an equal, until then women like you are a liability in relationships, a drain on the country and a blight to society.

kindly sod off and get out of my way, you have no value to me and have earned no respect as an equal.

[Jenny]

That shaming instruction to "man up" always amuses me. It's used by feminists who are too stupid to see the implication - that men are superior to women.

[mgtow]

As for Andromeda saying men can't buy woman as easy now they have their own money....

My dear most men with a brain would see "buying" a western woman these days, as a worse investment than stocks in a chocolate fire guard factory. At any rate with western women, one always finds out eventually, no matter how you get them, one is always paying for it in one way or another.

In the case of delusional arrogant women like yourself, i would suggest rental, in the long term it Hertz a lot less.

[mengoingeast]

' There is no reason why men would need a movement for men. This world is still set up for men, and men still get more respect then women."

large intake of breath........

Andromeda, look around you right now. Virtually every thing you can see, everything you take for granted, from the small to the large, is invented by and given to you by the sweat, sacrifice and efforts of Men over millennia.

Without man you would have no electricity, no car, no roads, no house to live in and not even the devices you use to moan and slag him off with. Do you really think this world needs more media studies, lawyers, therapists and god knows how many made up jobs that usually involve sitting on your arse all day with the ability to eat cakes,? it is by coincidence women now account for nearly all those employed and choose to go into these jobs themselves.

This is not because it is some make believe " male controlled and dominated world", It is because it is men who always have and probably always will, do the things and have the drive to do the things that women cannot, or simply are not, bothered to do. Usually because it involves risk, real hard work, getting down in the muck and mire, making self sacrifices and dedication on levels 99.9 % of women could not even start to comprehend. These things also involve very little cake eating.

So show some respect to the gender who has given you the ability to do anything at all, then imagine living in a world where he put down his tools and stopped everything tomorrow. It is then you would find out how far from equal your over-privileged whining selfish woman really is.

You complain this World is geared up still for men, remember who made it. Then think as to why you deserve 50% of everything in a world that you do not put 0.0005% into making?

[Anthony Humphreys]

I was going to do a full reply to the original comment but thanks to the other posters for summing up perfectly for me. I guess it's easy to dismiss mens genuine concerns as 'nonsense' when you are not on the receiving end. Try to bear in mind that I was speaking for the other half of the western world as a man or have we fallen so far in modern society that we no longer deserve to be heard? I would have taken your criticism more seriously if you had even bothered to properly read my original article. If you had you would see i said the 'majority of modern women' NOT all and I give numerous examples of what the article is about in terms of the jobs men are still expected to do exclusively. If you really don't like this site try something radical, like don't come here.

[Groan]

Not to add to the wealth of information here in the comments. I do think the real job is to make the majority of men "visible". Elswhere Andromeda you mention a lesbian journalists book based on her pretending to be am man. Her conclusion was that men were still " taking care of business" in north American society and to do so "their insides liquify". She suggest men (including her two brothers)need a movement to get the benefits of a society largely at preace and plenty. Effectively she concluded many men work hard mainly for the benefit of others.
This reminded me of one strand of the feminism of my youth, way back in the 70s. One strong strand was liberation of men from being "wage slaves". Somewhere in the intervening years the heady ideas of that era appear to have been converted to privileges for (some) women and basically no change for men who still are wage slaves but it has got harder to get a wage. As you say Jenny the messages to man up are really about making sure men still "take care of business". In almost every survey about choices to to with work life balance men aren't even asked what the'd like. In the few that have the majority want to work less, have more time for family and at least some sharing of breadwinning resposiblities. I suspect the questions are so early asked is a reflection of a social fear of what would happen if men didn't "man up".

[stuart]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9615292/Female-quotas-negatively-affect-business-says-minister.html

Are the Telegraph watching comments here? :-) I say harriet harman is a vile feminist paedophile supporter, moments later a story about exactly what i was saying, now we mention, in reply to andromeda about positive discrimination etc...and they print this :-)

It would be a nice thought, they might learn something :-)

[John Kimble]

If I'm correct I think Swinson is A Lib Dem who campaigned very hard against her party introducing all women shortlists. Nice to see female politicians who can see just how much harm discrimination causes, for both men and women.

[Aimee McGee]

Hi all, first post from a UK regular on AVfM.
To the women who don't think we need a men's rights movement, I hope you never face the day, when a man you love is falsely accused of domestic violence or rape...is a nasty learning curve of just how much misandry there is.
I'm a human rights activist with interest in men's issues. I will only stop when the same concern about the children of men in prison being affected by separation from their fathers as the current rampant sympathy for female criminals. Time and again the victim card is played for women...but that denies their adult agency and assumes they are objects to be manipulated.
Why an I 'betraying my gender?' Because I'm not a victim, I'm a woman who has freedoms and choices, but I also accept I've got to accept responsibility for my choices and pay the price for my freedom.

[stuart]

Shame john the other is a jumped up little
Twot, I almost thought he was surgically attached to Hilary Clinton's labia. Certainly makes me question the real motives behind some so called MRA. I wonder when " donations' will be asked for via here too?

Other than that, Hi. I like some of your stuff

[Groan]

Hi Aimee. As you may know there are many women pushing forward on misandry and institutional sexism against males. Personally I think you are the true heirs to some of the great women thinkers who wanted equality in what were societies that did treat women as second best. I'm not sure you have to pay a price for freedom really it's about simply being responsible and making a contribution while recognising the contribution of others. I too was woken up to institutional sexism by close experience of an abusive relationship.

[stuart]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220707/Jennifer-Jones-Why-I-stole-children-father--Ill-fighting-them.html?ITO=1490

One selfish women and it makes headlines playing her as a victim, this happens to Men every day in their Hundreds or thousands, never makes the papers though.

NO true equality...NO RESPECT!

Sick country.

[stuart]

I see Halfords is running a "we fit" series of adverts, like so many deliberately making men young and old look stupid, incompetent and useless. No doubt next we will have a woman come on and do it for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOjIUrEdlE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38F9nW1La48&feature=plcp

Shame reality is a million miles from this crap.

[conservative feminism]

I agree that today there is equality between men and women and in some cases modern women do take undue advantages of it being selfish but it can't be said that gender inequality has totally vanished,as still there is inequality... gender relations that assumes men to be superior to women exists.

[Groan]

And of course the reverse is also true.Women are still assumed to have superiorities in childcare , morality, and now learning and "soft" skills. These stereotypical gender assumptions give advantages to individual women. Today one news story was about Welshmen winning some compensation due to their routine exposure to hazardous chemicals. The stereotypes of the time would have precluded women from taking any such risk. I live in Greater Manchester and in many areas life expectancy for men is very low compared to their female contemporaries . As the direct consequence of their work. The assumption that women should be protected from such risk clearly actually benefitted them in terms of health and longevity. In the same timeframe and over time ,things are different and change. There are still many "gendered" aspects to our society these in fact don't uniformly favour men of women. However generally at the moment public debate doesn't happen about those that favour women whilst it does for those that are seen as favourable to men. Hence the need for Trom.

[SM]

Aimee, I know you mean well but men's rights is really none of your business. The rights of men speak for themselves, and we do NOT need your approval or intervention. So please butt out, and that goes for all "female MRAs"

[Skimmington]

Sorry SM - everyone is welcome on this site whether they are female, feminists or "female MRA's".

[Groan]

Well said Skimmington. The are already sites just for polemic.

[SM]

I wasn't talking about just this site, I was talking about the struggle for men's rights itself. I would never presume to campaign for women's rights, because that would be presumptive of me. Men must speak for men, women must speak for women.

[Groan]

It is a central tenet of PC that only members of a group can speak for that group. Hence need for quotas for female MPs. However equal rights, and responsibilities require us all to speak. I can see the need for MRA to gain confidence and support together. But the feminist triumph was to get men to take their agenda forward in times when women weren't in positions of power. Frankly MRA will need to get their message to both sexes.

[SM]

Women ARE THE PROBLEM. Don't you see? And by allowing them into the discussion the message of men's rights is already diluted. Who cares about women? Do you? I do not, and I will pay no heed AT ALL to ANYTHING a woman says about MY RIGHTS.