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Wednesday, 08 February 2012


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I heard the Ken Clarke interview on Radio 4. I was egging him on to say something like..."And we mustn't forget the rights of Fathers out there, the vast majority of whom, like the child's Mother, should have exactly the same entitlement regarding parenting. Don't forget that we need to be thinking about the rights of the child AND the Father here, both of whom are losing out at present in favour of support for Mothers". But, no, we're still not there yet are we! Because Ken, like most men in high profile public positions, are still far too scared to speak like that. Instead, they feel they still need to divert the attention using sneaky verbal tactics that won't get them into trouble! Now, I FULLY agree that children come first, no disputing that one, it's a given. But, men are not going to get proper equality while they pussyfoot around. Let's hear someone with some honesty. Let's hear someone speak the truth. Let's hear someone say out loud in a nice clear voice that men are an extremely supportive and necessary asset to families, work God-damned hard and deserve 50% of everything they contribute towards including their own children!!! Sorry, but I just happen to pick up on things like this!


Some points are already slightly worrying such as;

"We will consider very carefully how legislation can be framed to ensure that a meaningful relationship is not about equal division of time, but the quality of parenting received by the child."

That one is a possible primer for manipulation. Though its more difficult to try to change the whole thing in one sitting. There is plenty of very positive progress here.

The legislative is however still infested with feminists and there is a very long way to go before that is rectified. I think ultimately the media will be the key area, once the mechanisms of the propaganda machine are dismantled it'll be much easier to have a truely fair debate.


You're right, Bob, the rate of progress will be down to the media. And it would be even quicker if someone in power would speak out without pussyfooting! Then we might have a chance of grabbing the attention of the younger generation.

John Kimble

Good article it's always useful to reflect on our achievements and how battles have been won (or lost).

The only people you've missed out is online activists and bloggers. The impact of someone ripping apart the lies of the latest Guardian feminist bigot really is very powerful if done with honesty and accuracy and without being too disrespectful.

Mike Buchanan

I think it's worth mentoning that legislation is one thing, how that legislation is put into practise is another. In 'The Woman Racket' Steve Moxon points out how some femily-related legislation was utterly compromised by guidance notes issues by the related government department. Officials at the 'sharp end' use these guidance notes to steer their approaches (as we'd expect), not the actual legislation. I'd expect the various fathers' groups to keep an eye out for this.

Mike Buchanan


Well it's good to see some progress, but the men's rights movement still seems to be punching well below its weight at the moment.

The sense of injustice regarding the way male citizens are treated is strong enough - how could it not be?

But what is required, now, in my opinion, is some minor tweaks to the infrastructure for internet campaigning, so that the force of public sentiment can be truly marshalled.

For example, I was very impressed recently by an American site called 'A Voice For Men', which allows sympathisers to donate money towards the campaign directly and immediately via PayPal.

That's a great idea, because it can then create a virtuous circle whereby extra money makes for better awareness, and hence more money, etc.

If we could really start channelling momentum in that way, I think we could really on to something.

Just look to the 'Arab Spring' for hope - the physical infrastructure of the internet had been there for some time before it really took off. When it finally did, ordinary citizens were able to challenge state media organisations and the government directly,
causing great political upheaval.

That's the kind of thing the men's rights movement in the UK can successfully emulate IMO


An excellent round up of a working strategy. Different 'formations' do different actions in ways that suit their skill and drive. ALL contribute, even those outside the tent. (as long as they are not pissing in through the flaps.)


I don't know very much about policies and government moves etc
I'm a father who came home from work to find his new born baby was gone I've been to hell and am having to see my now five month old baby son in a contact centre in Northern Ireland
It feels like what i would imagine a prison visit would be like
I've talked to other fathers visiting their children in this way and can only come to one conclusion . Women have total control over a child and even in cases like mine where the mother is a drinker and drug user with violent tendancies and obvious mental issues nothing is done to help the father or for that mater the child.
How can we stop this madness ?
I don't drink or do drugs of any kind I've no history of violence or abuse of any sort all I want is to play a meaningful role in my child's life and I'm denied this from day one !!!!
I feel that the system is to easily abused by mothers and contact centres are full of men who only want what I want.
It's a well known fact that women can have serious depression before and after giving birth
And that hormones have caused women to attack not only men but children to.

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